Posts by Bluegrass Tom

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How can COs and DOs Sabotage The Organization and Not Come Under

by frankiespeakin in

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how can cos & dos sabotage the organization and not come under the scrutinay of the service department?.

i'm sure there are many cos & dos that know the gb are liars but may be stuck in the work at the present, and so this thread is devoted to thing you can do to deliberately sabotage the control that the organization has over the friends.. while this threat has great potenial for humour lets see if we can share some ideas that double agents might use effectively.

Bluegrass Tom

If there are any in the ranks of the CO and DO's they are few. To be appointed a CO or a DO you have to meet with a member of the GB and be appointed. My experience is that most are arrogant, self-righteous and real company men. They have no life and if they left the work, most have nothing in the way of accumulated wrealth or something to go to, so they stay. I think that many of them were in the legions of office cleaners/pioneers and couldn't function well without the freebies and the dubs kissing up. With that said, I think the ones that see the Organization for what it is could do much in a subtle way in personal one-on-one discussions with people. Many dubs want private face time with them, and during thoes discussions (no witnesses) could mention things that start poeple searching. References to the internet would be best because there is so much out on th net at present on the WTS, that in a short period of time people will become informed.

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Society record keeping

by Jeffro in

one month after writing a letter to the society directing that they destroy, or return to me, all records pertaining to me and today i received a phone call from one of the 'elders'.

(i sent this letter a few days after the elders announced that i was "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses" [though on the phone they had told me it would be announced that i had disassociated].

for the record i had explicitly directed 6 months ago that no such announcement be made because i have no status with the organization).. .

Bluegrass Tom

In the USA it can be a little different. The easiest way to handle this is to spend a few bucks and have your records requested in a letter from an Attorney. That will stop all the nonsence.

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WTS Recognizes that Millions have Left the Faith

by Bluegrass Tom in

at the portland maine district convention that was held this past weekend, brother buck from brooklyn bethel gave the last talk on sunday.

in this talk he mentioned the "millions of people that have left" in the recent past.

he also mentioned them in the concluding prayer.

Bluegrass Tom

At the Portland Maine District Convention that was held this past weekend, Brother Buck from Brooklyn Bethel gave the last talk on Sunday. In this talk he mentioned the "millions of people that have left" in the recent past. He also mentioned them in the concluding prayer. I couldn't believe my ears that someone from Brooklyn Bethel would publically recognize this is happening. I am sure that he will be spoken to about it.

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Franz and Knorr state in Court that Jehovah is the Editor of the Watchtower

by Bluegrass Tom in

the following is an excerpt and was found in new york king's county clerks's court record 1940 vol.

ii p. 795. it has to do with court testimony that was being made by fred franz in a lawsuit brought against the wtbts by others.. .

"lawyer: who subsequently became the editor of the magazine, the main editor of the 'watch tower' magazine?

Bluegrass Tom

ithinkisee:

No I don't have the transcripts. I believe that they are easy enough to get from the NYS court system with the references that are given. By the way, there are plenty of direct quotations from the WTS publications that confirm this thinking. Here is one:

"Jehovah has made the necessary arrangements within his organization to instruct his people, and all recognize that for some years The Watchtower has been the means of communicating information to God's people. That does not mean that those who prepare the manuscript for The Watchtower are inspired, but rather it means that the Lord through his angels sees to it that the information is given to his people in due time, and he brings to pass the events in fulfillment of his prophecy and then invites those devoted to him to see the same." J.F.Rutherford: Riches, 1936, P. 316.

I think the word is dilusional.

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Franz and Knorr state in Court that Jehovah is the Editor of the Watchtower

by Bluegrass Tom in

the following is an excerpt and was found in new york king's county clerks's court record 1940 vol.

ii p. 795. it has to do with court testimony that was being made by fred franz in a lawsuit brought against the wtbts by others.. .

"lawyer: who subsequently became the editor of the magazine, the main editor of the 'watch tower' magazine?

Bluegrass Tom

The following is an excerpt and was found in NEW YORK KING'S COUNTY CLERKS'S COURT RECORD 1940 vol. II P. 795. It has to do with court testimony that was being made by Fred Franz in a lawsuit brought against the WTBTS by others.

"LAWYER: Who subsequently became the Editor of the magazine, the main editor of the 'Watch Tower' magazine? F.FRANZ: In 1931, October 15th, as I recall, the 'Watch Tower' discontinued publishing the names of any editorial committee on the second page. THE COURT: He asked you who became the editor. F.FRANZ: And it said... THE COURT: Who became the editor? LAWYER: Who became the editor when this was discontinued? F.FRANZ: Jehovah God.".

Note: F.Franz later became the President of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Based on his testimony, Jehovah God is the editor of the Watchtower since 1931. Therefore, since this date the magazine could not contain any errors since God is its editor.

Here is another one.

This is an excerpt and was found in an Action for Libel: Olin R. Moyle v. F.W.Franz, et al, May 10 - May 27 1943, New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division, sections 2596-7, 4420-1. It has to do with testimony that both Fred Franz and Nat Knorr made in this case about who is the Editor of the Watchtower.

"LAWYER: At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper is that right? F.FRANZ: He is today the editor of the paper. LAWYER: How long has he been editor of the paper? F.FRANZ: Since its inception he has been guiding it. LAWYER: Even before 1931? F.FRANZ: Yes, sir. .. LAWYER: But you don't make any mention in the fore part of your Watch Tower that 'We are not infallible and subject to correction and may make mistakes'? N.H.KNORR: We have never claimed infallibility. LAWYER: But you don't make any such statement, that you are subject to correction, in your Watch Tower papers do you? N.H.KNORR: Not that I recall. LAWYER: In fact, it is set forth directly as God's Word, isn't it? N.H.KNORR: Yes, as His Word. LAWYER: Without any qualification whatsoever? N.H.KNORR: That is right."

Note: N.H.Knorr was, and F.Franz later became, the President of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Based on this testimony, Jehovah God is the editor of the Watchtower. Therefore, the magazine could not contain any errors since God is its editor.

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History of WTS Quotations on Racial Issues

by Bluegrass Tom in

"can the ethiopian change his skin color?

" (and so god can and will change blacks to whites in the new world)", zion?s watchtower, february 15, 1904, p. 52-3.. .

golden age february 23, 1927, p. 343.. .

Bluegrass Tom

1898

01. "God ? evidently has been a respecter of races, and has specially blessed and favored certain branches of the Aryan race in Europe and America... the white race has been more abundantly blessed with the light of the Gospel than others ? the elect Church will probably be composed chiefly of the highly favored white race.." The Bible versus the Evolution Theory, 1898, P. 30-1.

02. ?...The negro race is supposed to be descended from Ham, whose special degradation is mentioned in Gen. 9:22, 25.? Zion's Watch Tower, August 1, 1898, P. 230.

1900

03. "There are probably as many as a hundred colored brethren on the Watch Tower lists, some of them very clear in the truth, and very earnest in its service, financially and other-wise ... (but they are not allowed to participate in the "pioneer work" as) although we have received letters from several of these, who had intended engaging in the volunteer work, expressing surprise that in the call for volunteers in the March 1, 1900 issue we restricted the inquiry to white Protestant churches. ... The reason is that so far as we are able to judge, colored people have less education than whites - many of them quite insufficient to permit them to profit by such reading as we have to give forth. Our conclusion therefore is based upon the supposition that reading matter distributed to a colored congregation would more than half of it be utterly wasted, and a very small percentage indeed likely to yield good results. We advise, therefore, that where the Watch Tower literature is introduced to colored people it be not by promiscuous circulation, but only to those who give evidence of some ear for the truth. We avoid, so far as possible, putting the pearls of present truth into the hands of the vicious and depraved ?" Zion?s Watchtower, April 15, 1900, P. 122.

04. "From Black to White He Slowly Turned? Rev. William H. Draper ... gave a living affirmative answer to the famous Biblical question, 'Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots?' Though once as black as charcoal, the Rev. Mr. Draper is now white. His people say that his color was changed in answer to prayer. Many years ago Draper was employed by a fair-skinned man, and he was often heard to remark that if he could only be white like his employer, he would be happy. While in the white man's service Draper 'experienced' religion. From that day forward he prayed constantly and fervently that he might become white... He first experienced a prickling sensation on his face, and upon close investigation found a number of small white spots scarcely larger than the point of a pin. He became alarmed, thinking he had some peculiar disease but he did not suffer and aside from the prickling sensation felt nothing unusual. Gradually the white spots became larger and extended themselves, until now, after the change has been in progress for over 30 years, Draper has not a single dark spot on his body.", Zion?s Watchtower, October 1, 1900 P.296-297.

1901

05. 'It too often happens that, while the Negro rapidly masters the rules and regulations of the Christian religion, he still continues to be gross, immoral, and deceitful. They (missionaries) may have succeeded in turning their disciples into professing Catholics, Anglicans, or Baptists; but the impartial observer is surprised to find that adultery, drunkenness, and lying are more apparent among the converts than among their heathen brethren.' And again: 'I regret to say that, with a few - very rare - exceptions, those native African pastors, teachers, and catechists whom I have met have been all, more or less, bad men. They attempted to veil an unbridled immorality with an unblushing hypocrisy and a profane display of mouth-religion which, to an honest mind, seemed even more disgusting than the immorality itself. While it was apparent that not one particle of true religion had made its way into their gross minds, it was also evident that the spirit of sturdy manliness which was present in their savage forefathers found no place in their false, cowardly natures..", Zion?s Watchtower, August 15, 1901, P. 266.

1902

06. "The Negro Not a Beast ? that Ham's characteristics which had led him to unseemly conduct disrespectful to his father, would be found cropping out later, inherited by his son, and prophetically he foretold that this degeneracy would mark the posterity of Canaan, degrading him, making him servile. We are not able to determine to a certainty that the sons of Ham and Canaan are negroes; but we consider that general view as probable as any other... We are not to forget, either, that Africa is inhabited by various tribes or nations of negroes - some more and some less degraded than the average... While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family? The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. It remains to be proven that the similar commingling of the various tribes of Chinese for several centuries would not equally brighten their intellects; and the same with the peoples of India and Africa." Zion?s Watchtower, July 15, 1902, P.216.

07. ?Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese ? the hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing there were no intermarrying.? Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043.

1903

08. "The second runner, Cushi, or literally a Cushite - that is, a negro - was probably one of the king's household servants ..." Zion?s Watchtower, November 1, 1903, P.410-1.

1904

09. "Can The Ethiopian Change His skin color? No. But? what the Ethiopian cannot do for himself God could readily do for him. The difference between the races of men?have long been arguments against the solidarity of the human family. The doctrine of restitution has also raised the question. How could all men be brought to perfection and which color of skin was the original? The answer is now provided. God can change the Ethiopian's skin in his own due time? Julius Jackson, of New Frankfort, Montana, a Negro boy of nine years, began to grow white in September, 1901, and is now fully nine-tenths white. He assures us that this is no whitish skin disease; but that the new white skin is as healthy as that of any white boy, and that the changed boy has never been sick and never has taken medicines?" (and so God can and will change blacks to whites in the New World)", Zion?s Watchtower, February 15, 1904, P. 52-3.

10. "?hence, the several races of humanity will probably find their spiritual interests as New Creatures best conserved by a measure of separateness." C.T.Russell: Studies in the Scriptures VI - The New Creation, 1904-20, 1923-7, P.490.

1908

11. ?The negro and Latin races will probably always be inclined to superstition." Zion?s Watchtower, April 1, 1908, P. 99.
1914

12. "THE COLOR LINE FOUND NECESSARY. WE might have anticipated that many colored people would be deeply interested in THE PHOTO-DRAMA OF CREATION. But it did not impress itself upon us until gradually their number increased to about twenty-five per cent of the whole audience. Of course, we were glad to see them, glad that they were interested in the DRAMA. We had the same feeling respecting them as others; but it was quickly discerned that it was not a case of feeling, but that, whereas the colored people of New York City are about five per cent of the population, in our audiences they are about twenty-five per cent and the number increasing. What shall we do? As the attendance of the colored people would increase, proportionately the number of the whites would decrease; for explain it how we will, a majority of whites prefer not to intermingle closely with other races. Recognizing that it meant either the success or the failure of the enterprise of the DRAMA as respects the whites, we have been compelled to assign the colored friends to the gallery, which, however, is just as good for seeing and hearing as any other part of The Temple. Some were offended at this arrangement. We have received numerous letters from the colored friends, some claiming that it is not right to make a difference, others indignantly and bitterly denouncing us as enemies of the colored people. Some, confident that Brother Russell had never sanctioned such a discrimination, told that they believe it would be duty to stand up for equal rights and always to help the oppressed, etc. We were obliged to explain the facts, assuring all of our loving interest in the colored people, and of our desire to do them good, and not injury. We again suggested that if a suitable place could be found in which the DRAMA could be presented for the benefit of the colored people alone, we would be glad to make such arrangements, or to co-operate with any others in doing so. Our explanations were apparently entirely satisfactory to all of the fully consecrated. To these we explained that it is a question of putting either the interests of God's Cause first, or else the interests of the race first. We believed it our duty to put God first and the Truth first - at any cost to others or to ourself! We explained that we thought that all the colored brethren should know our attitude toward them - they should know that we love to serve them in any way possible and to give them the very best we have to give of the Gospel Message; and that it is only a question of whether our giving to them in one way would deprive us of giving the Truth to others. Some who were still tenacious and quarrelsome we merely reminded of our Lord's declaration that in inviting visitors into the house it is the place of the host to say where they shall sit, and then we showed them the parable of the man who chose the chief seat of honor and was given a lower one. In answer to the query as to how our course of conduct squared with the Golden Rule, we replied that it squares exactly. We would wish others to put God first. If our personal interests are or ever have been in conflict with the real and apparently best interests of the Lord's Cause, it is a part of our consecration vow to ignore our interests in favor of the interests of the Lord's Cause. This is what we mean by the declaration that we are dead to self and alive to our God as New Creatures. We reminded one dear sister that the Lord enjoins humility, and assures us that unless we humble ourselves we shall not be exalted. If nature favors the colored brethren and sisters in the exercise of humility it is that much to their advantage, if they are rightly exercised by it. A little while, and our humility will work out for our good. A little while, and those who shall have been faithful to their Covenant of Sacrifice will be granted new bodies, spiritual, beyond the veil, where color and sex distinctions will be no more. A little while, and the Millennial Kingdom will be inaugurated, which will bring Restitution to all mankind - restitution to the perfection of mind and body, feature and color, to the grand original standard, which God declared "very good," and which was lost for a time through sin, but which is soon to be restored by the powerful Kingdom of Messiah. Watchtower April 1, 1914 P.110-1.

1919

13. "NEGRO EDUCATION IN CINCINNATI. Blacks from all over the city go to this school by preference. They feel that they can get the best chance by staying in their own crowd, and they are probably right... While it is true that 'of one blood God hath made all nations of men,' nevertheless under present imperfect conditions a wise segregation is probably an advantage to all concerned." Golden Age October 1, 1919 P. 8.

14. "...from a criminal viewpoint the desirability of sobering the southern Negro speaks volumes for national prohibition." Golden Age, October 15, 1919 P.44. Note: The famous book 'Uncle Tom's Cabin', which exposes the inhumane treatment of blacks, is elsewhere described in Golden Age as "the work of Satan".

1926

15. "[Orientals are] coolies ... cutthroats and murderers". Golden Age March 10, 1926 P. 374.

16. "(White rulers as in Britain have the) superior mental, moral, or physical force ... (but be warned, power is slipping as the) powers of the colored races are expanding". Watchtower May 15, 1926, P. 483.

1927

17. "Be it known once and for all that those profiteering, conscienceless, selfish men who call themselves Jews, and who control the greater portion of the finances of the world and the business of the world, will never be the rulers in this new earth. God would not risk such selfish men with such an important position". Golden Age February 23, 1927, P. 343.

18. "Spaniards ... and other backward races (came to settle in America under the influence of Rome)". Golden Age November 30, 1927, P.141.

1928

19. "careful observations in a London school showed that children enjoyed the heartiest laughs, not from slapstick comedies, but from ... watching a Negro miner enjoying a square meal". Golden Age 1928, P. 684.
1929

20. "Is there anything in the Bible that reveals the origin of the Negro? It is generally believed that the curse which Noah pronounced upon Canaan was the origin of the Black race. Certain it is that when Noah said, 'Cursed be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren,' he pictured the future of the Colored race. They have been and are a race of servants ... There is no servant in the world as good as a good colored servant, and the joy that he gets from rendering faithful service is one of the purest joys there is in the world." Golden Age July 24, 1929, P. 702.

1932

21. "Jews (are) no longer important to God... Jehovah's Witnesses (are, per a new symbolic meaning given to Romans 11, the only) Israel of God... during the World War the Jews received recognition of the heathen nations. In 1917 the Balfour Declaration, sponsored by the heathen governments of Satan's organization, came forth, recognized the Jews, and bestowed upon them great favors? The Jews have received more attention at their hands than they really deserved." J.F.Rutherford: Vindication, Vol. 2, 1932, P. 257-8. Note: Directly contradicting the assertion that Jews would be restored to Palestine and of the conversion of 144,000 literal Jews, stated in the Watchtower June 1880, P. 108.

1934

22. "The Journal of the A.M.A. is the vilest sheet that passes the United States mail... Nothing new and useful in therapeutics escapes its unqualified condemnation. Its attacks are generally ad hominem. Its editorial columns are largely devoted to character assassination... Its editor (a Jew) is of the type of Jew that crucified Jesus Christ." Golden Age September 26, 1934, P. 807.

23. "[Nazi Germany] ... It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations.. Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles ... (The) Bible Students are fighting for the SAME high, ethical goals and ideals that the national German Reich proclaimed regarding the relationship of man to God ... there are no opposing views ... but that, to the contrary, respecting the purely religious and apolitical goals ... these are in complete harmony with ... the National Government of the German Reich.. A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness." WTBTS Yearbook 1934, P.134-7 'Declaration of Facts'.

1952

24. "Really, our colored brothers have a great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase." Watchtower February 1, 1952, P. 95.

25. ?If the Watchtower Society is free from racial prejudice, why does it tolerate segregation at its assemblies in certain sections of country? Is this not a course of compromise??F. C., Wisconsin.
Why do we tolerate the segregation laws and policies of certain governments and organizations of this world? Because Jehovah has not commissioned us to convert the world, which is wicked beyond recovery and hence will be destroyed. Jehovah has commissioned us to preach the gospel. Now what should we do? Drop preaching to fight racial issues? We never have separate meetings and baptisms when we can have them together. But when impossible, shall we have separate meetings and baptisms, or none at all? Shall we serve spiritual food to all, even if separately, or serve it to none? Shall we provide baptism for all, even if separately, or provide it for none? Should we buck Caesar's segregation laws, when they do not force us to violate God's laws? God does not forbid separate assembly and baptism, and he commands assembly and baptism. (Matt. 28:19; Heb. 10:25) So should we disobey God to fight a racial issue? To buck the segregation laws would bring on disruption of the witness work, halting of it, mob violence, and possible loss of life. Only laws prohibiting gospel-preaching will we buck at that price.

Some may argue segregation is prohibited by God, citing Galatians 3:28 (NW): "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus." That Paul spoke in a spiritual sense and not in a literal, physical sense is obvious, since actually there were male and female, slave and free, Jew and Greek. Because of the existence of Jew and Greek he specially accommodated himself and his preaching to such classes. (1 Cor. 9:19-22) His recognition of slave and freeman we will consider in more detail, since it bears directly on segregation. How so? Because segregation is rooted in slavery, is the outgrowth and hangover of slavery. Segregation, the stain left by slavery, is a lesser evil than slavery. So if the Bible does not instruct Christians to fight slavery it would not sanction them to battle the lesser evil of segregation, at the expense of gospel-preaching.

Even within the Christian congregation Paul did not protest the slavery of his time. Onesimus was Philemon's slave, and both were Christians. (Philem. 10-16) Paul wrote Timothy, who pictured the society of witnesses today: "Let as many as are slaves under a yoke keep on considering their owners worthy of full honor." Why? "That the name of God and the teaching may never be spoken of injuriously." Kingdom preaching and Jehovah's vindication are the issues to keep foremost, not creature equality and racial issues. "Moreover, let those having believing owners not look down on them, because they are brothers. On the contrary, let them the more readily be slaves, because those receiving the benefit of their good service are believers and beloved." (1 Tim. 6:1, 2, NW) Here again note that the slavery of those times existed even within the Christian congregation.

Paul also wrote: "In whatever state each one was called, let him remain in it. Were you called a slave? Do not let it worry you; but if you can also become free, rather seize the opportunity." If Paul could say this regarding slavery, how much more so can it be said to those discriminated against by segregation laws: "Do not let it worry you." It is no cause for Christian concern or anxiety. But if the Lord's people are in locations where they are free of segregation laws or policies, they rejoice in the greater freedom and delight to be together in assembly. All are slaves of Christ, as Paul goes on to show: "Anyone in the Lord that was called a slave is the Lord's freedman: likewise he that was called a free man is a slave of Christ." (1 Cor. 7:20-24, NW) Surprisingly, some colored brothers have strenuously objected to this, protesting as offensive the use of the word "slave" in the New World Translation. Any who do not wish to be Christ's slave, whether white or black, can cease such service at any time; but they will be slaves nonetheless, only slaves of Satan and sin. (Rom. 6:16-23, NW) Those who magnify human importance soon hide from their view the really vital issues.

Jehovah is no respecter of persons. Neither are his people. But the world in which we live is. Whites are prejudiced against colored, colored are prejudiced against whites. In some colored communities after nightfall a white person would enter at the risk of his very life. To justify this on the grounds that the whites started the discrimination is not Scriptural. (Rom. 12:17) Now, where the danger is extreme should white persons enter these hostile communities and suffer beating and possibly death to prove they have a democratic right to be there? Should a white witness endanger his life to attend a meeting of colored witnesses in such places, or stay overnight with his colored brothers there, just to prove his democratic right to do so?

Many colored persons practice color-prejudice against their own people. Lighter-colored Negroes will shun the darker ones. Some from the Western Hemisphere look down upon the very dark ones from Africa. In South Africa, whites discriminate against the mixed coloreds, the mixed coloreds against the native blacks, the native blacks against the Indian coolies, and in their native India the Indians discriminate against the no caste or outcasts. Who is innocent to throw the first stone? Can we not see that all classes of the human race are evil, that if we start reforming we shall be lost in an impossible task, with endless discriminations and many varieties or injustices to beat down, which crusading social and political organizations of this world have hopelessly fought for years? For us to become like them would be to fail with them, consume our time in such reforms, lose out as Jehovah's witnesses, and please only the Devil.

So let us please God by preaching the gospel despite the undesirable conditions the Devil's world may make for us. Let us not be sidetracked by Satan and caught in a subtle snare camouflaged in lofty motives and ideals. Can we not wait upon Jehovah to avenge the wrongs we suffer now? Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase. What if the worldly wise and powerful and noble look down on them as foolish and weak and ignoble, not on an equality with self-exalted whites? It is to God's ultimate honor, for he confounds the wise of this world by choosing those the world considers foolish and weak and ignoble. Let us boast in Jehovah and in our equality in his sight, rather than wanting to boast in equality in the world's sight. (1 Cor. 1:26-31, NW) In due time the exalted ones will be humbled, and the humble ones will be exalted. (Matt. 23:12) All of us await this vindication from God, which will come in his due time. Until then, as Paul advised concerning slavery we advise concerning its lingering trace, segregation: "Do not let it worry you." (1 Cor. 7:21, NW) When possible we will meet together, when not possible we will meet separately; but in either event we are always united in spirit, brothers equal in our own sight, in Christ's sight, and in God's sight.? Watchtower, February 1, 1952, P. 95 Questions from Readers

1973

26. "What is the view of Jehovah's Witnesses toward interracial marriage? ... (While interracial marriages are not intrinsically wrong, 'deep-seated prejudices' remain 'in the world' and) "A Christian, being realistic, must face life as it is - not as he wishes it might be." Watchtower December 1, 1973, P. 755-756.

27. ?In race relations, do you see genuine improvement among the nations of the world? Most people readily say 'no'; there are strong racial hatreds on every continent. But we read statements like this one concerning Jehovah's witnesses:
"I am struck with their genuine high regard for the people of all races. Unlike some who pay lip service to the doctrine of racial brotherhood, the Witnesses welcome all to their society?even to places of outstanding leadership?without reference to color or feature."?G. Norman Eddy in Journal of Bible and Religion.? Watchtower 1973 January 15 p.37

1974

28. "At times I detect among certain (Jehovah's Witnesses) leftover attitudes of racial superiority, and I have sometimes seen a certain uncomfortableness of some of them when in close association with persons of another race". Watchtower December 1, 1974, P. 713-714.

29. "Mormons and Racism... at a news conference, Mormon president Spencer W. Kimball was questioned on the Mormon practice of excluding blacks from full and equal privileges in their religion.. Thus the question of racial discrimination was evaded. In refreshing contrast, the Bible plainly says that 'God is not partial' and 'makes no distinction at all' among those sincerely seeking him.-Acts 10:34, 35; 15:7-9." Watchtower November 1, 1974, P.656. Note: This is a great change of position from the WTBTS, who initially supported racial segregation (see 1919), who excluded black members from even sitting in parts of their church (see 1914) and who until recently have been exclusively governed by white American men.

1977

30. ?Even up to a hundred years ago the Catholic Church held the view that blacks were cursed by God. Maxwell explains that this view "apparently survived until 1873 when Pope Pius IX attached an indulgence to a prayer for the 'wretched Ethiopians in Central Africa that almighty God may at length remove the curse of Cham [Ham] from their hearts.'" Awake! Oct. 8, 1977 p.29

1982

31. ?Have the churches of Christendom always treated "everyone on the same basis"? Consider how the Catholic and Lutheran Churches supported Hitler's scheme to produce a "master race." And for centuries the Catholic Church taught that Negroes were a cursed race. John F. Maxwell states in his book Slavery and the Catholic Church that this view "apparently survived until 1873 when Pope Pius IX attached an indulgence to a prayer for the 'wretched Ethiopians in Central Africa that almighty God may at length remove the curse of Cham [Ham] from their hearts.'" Awake! February 8, 1982. P.14-15. Note: Even to this day some church organizations openly practice racial discrimination. Regardless of how politicians and religionists view the matter, the Bible and science indicate that all races are equal and descend from a common source. Interestingly, The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, 1970, Vol. 2, page 149, refers to the "scientific concept of the equality of the races" and admits the "scientific validation" of humanity's single origin.

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Hypothetical

by watson in

what would happen if satan repented and asked his father for forgiveness?

Bluegrass Tom

He committed a series of gross sins, and would not be forgiven. He is intrinsically evil and wicked, and Jehovah would not accept a plea of repentence. Also, there are no works that befit repentence that Satan could demonstrate to indicate contriteness. He cooked his own goose.

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Preaching work

by jula71 in

as a jw, we?ve been taught that preaching is a direct command from jesus, but is it?

who was he talking to?

in matt 28 he was talking to the remaining apostles.

Bluegrass Tom

As things turn out, I am studying this exact subject at present. It will be a while before I am done.

However, I can tell you this so far. The commandment is to make disciples, not to go door-to-door. Jesus is the exemplar. The example to follow. He didn't go door-to-door according to the gospel accounts.I think at this stage of my study it is fair to say that the most going door-to-door could be considered is a suggestion. There is no question that one of the best ways to contact people is by knocking on their door and talking to them. Also note that C.T. Russell did not promote the door-to-door approach.

The idea of everyone going door-to-door is a doctrine of the WTS, with marginal support from the scriptures.

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What if?

by jula71 in

does anyone have the fear of, "what if they?re right?

" i?ve had that nagging me then i have another voice, i?m not nuts-i?m not hearing voices-just a metaphor, tell me "they can?t be right.

" i just have this incredible inner conflict in me.

Bluegrass Tom

Everyone gets it. It is a sign of the longlasting emotional damage that has been done to us in the form of instilled guilt and emotional conditioning. When it comes, relax, focus and straighten your mind out. It will pass.

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The Best Response To Memorial Invites?

by dawn27 in

jw
friends

they will not give up!!

i live a ways away from my old congregation and i work with a couple of active witnesses who know i'm inactive.

so, i've been bombarded with phone calls and asked by my co-workers to go to the memorial.

Bluegrass Tom

My advice is that the less said the better. I find this to be true for most things in life.

If they ask you when your memorial is say, 8:00 PM and leave it at that (If the hall is shared, tonight one will be at 6:30, the next at 8:00 PM). All you are saying is an hour of the day. You are not confirming attendance, or anything else. Use some reverse "theocratic warfare". Smile and be unspecific. They are not entitled to know anything.